Fox host Laura Ingraham was taken aback on Monday when immigration attorney Allen Orr asserted that the root cause of the border crisis was a result of consistent failed policies. Orr made an appearance on “The Ingraham Angle” to share his perspective on the ongoing challenges at the southern border, with a surge in migrant encounters.
Ingraham initiated the discussion by probing Orr about how former President Donald Trump managed to maintain control over the border in 2019. However, Orr quickly attributed the change to COVID-19, prompting Ingraham to interject and challenge the immigration attorney’s viewpoint. Orr maintained that there has never been a lasting solution for the border issue due to Congress failing to act on policy reforms, leading Ingraham to further question his argument.
Ingraham then shifted the conversation to former acting U.S. Immigrations and Customs Enforcement (ICE) Director Tom Homan, asking for his opinion on Orr’s position.
“Allen, how is it that Donald Trump had the border fairly under control by 2019? How did that work?” Ingraham asked.
“I don’t think it was under control. I think that COVID played a big role and Title 42 played somewhat of a role in it,” Orr began.
“2019, Allen. 2019,” Ingraham corrected.
“Yeah, even then the numbers were still a little a bit egregious, I mean the issue is there were still people coming to the United States using non-traditional methods to get into the United States,” Orr responded. “So the border has never been a solution, because Congress has not acted on it since the early 80s.”
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